US "new Christians"...

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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Subject: US "new Christians"...
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2025 at 10:39pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/02/new-apostolic-reformation-christian-movement-trump/681092/ - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/02/new-apostolic-reformation-christian-movement-trump/681092/ or https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/02/new-apostolic-reformation-christian-movement-trump/681092/

https://www.gatewayprayer.com/ - https://www.gatewayprayer.com/ or https://www.gatewayprayer.com/ and https://dutchsheets.org/ - https://dutchsheets.org/ or https://dutchsheets.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sheets - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sheets or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Sheets

https://x.com/caitoz -

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Bat sh*t Insane Religious Fanaticism Is A Requirement For US Empire Managers During her Senate confirmation hearing for UN ambassador, Trump nominee Elise Stefanik was asked by Senator Chris Van Hollen if she agreed with Israeli Nazis Itamar Ben Gvir and Bezalel Smotritch that Israel has a “Biblical right” to the West Bank. Stefanik said yes. It’s so wild how bat sh*t insane religious delusions are almost a prerequisite for acceptance in the highest echelons of Official Washington. These confirmation hearings are like, “Are you mentally ill enough to do US foreign policy?” “Yes, I have the requisite mental illnesses to do US foreign policy.” “Your brain is a festering stew of psychosis and you have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality?” “Yes, I promise that is the case.” The world is ruled by religious fanatics with nukes. If a normal person says they’re the second coming of Jesus Christ they get medicated and institutionalized. If you make equally insane religious claims on the Senate floor, they let you run an empire.

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Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2025 at 10:48pm

DJ, This is NOT meant as a frontal attack on "new Christians"! People -in history-believed all kind of non-sense...I may not be that bright in the view of many...

However the freedom of one is limited when it limits others in their freedom.

You may believe in pink elephants, snowball-gods...whatever...As long as you do not expect me to go there...

Selfreflection is a learningprocess...we all make wrong choices in live and have to learn from it..."walking the labyrinth" - as the human species did for the few million years they walk on this Earth...

Following blindly a "man of god" -who-if not a god himself-in direct contact with both god and your money-is dangerous...

The Atlantic article mentioned above has US non-religious population growing from 6% 1991 to 30% most recent numbers...On the other hand quite a lot of "christian groups" radicalized...From believing in prophets, devils to "burning sinners"...

Neo-liberalism did get us back to the 19th century..."new Christians" return to the middle/dark ages...

Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2025 at 10:55pm

DJ, On this-once-a forum I tried to understand pandemics-and their link to climate collapse on a background of wars...

Some of the trump supporters are "new Christians"...They may go for pandemics/climate disasters as the punishment of a god...Wars-killing million of Muslims, Orthodox Christians are not only "gods work" but also "gods will"...

My-more "modern" view is WE-as humans-have a major role to play...In controlling diseases, limiting enviromental damage, avoiding wars...

So...why do "new Christians" come to their-so radical-other view ? Are 20-30% of the US population in some sort of "cult" ? Why ? Why the US ?

DJ-We have some "new Christians" in NL-imported from the US...limited...because we love our freedoms...The "cult" does NOT provide answers or solutions...

Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2025 at 11:02pm

DJ, If a large group of people believe "disaster" is the "will of a god" (sponsored by a few rich guys like e.musk...)...trump salvator...

We can forget about science...Pandemics, climate collapse, wars...will NOT hurt those "new Christians"...saved either by rapture or another miracle...

DJ, If that kind of groups/cults control the US government-that "government" is supposed to do "the work of god-his sponsor"....Democracy ends...

Believing starts where thinking stops....

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”

― Napoleon Bonaparte

DJ..but it does not stop the poor killing eachother...

Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2025 at 12:34am

DJ, Underlining the poisonous mix of "religion" and "politics";

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjuShQeLJc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjuShQeLJc or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjuShQeLJc;

Tell Elon: Zionists and Nazis have collaborated since the 1930s - World War II History

Let’s talk about the Haavara Agreement of World War 2 Links: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmtRWFZRcXlhTnJ6REtXNzR2ejFZa0d0cFlqQXxBQ3Jtc0tuTU5wVkdIbWZtVHZiNmhINi15V19XbDZyRUlsZUl0WFM4THBya3NzaWFRcElRZExrYy14MVlwS1hld1FfSWI3dUdRa1B2MC04SlNkQjNCREFNMWJTR2xwZWNGdjlGV2dfb3Q0cHlVaTNuRmpPNEJFbw&q=https%3A%2F%2Flinktr.ee%2FSimKern&v=VMjuShQeLJc - https://linktr.ee/SimKern

DJ, The writer gets 3500,-US$ for 5 months hard work also makes clear real history study may more likely get you killed then rich...

Posted By: Dutch Josh 2
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2025 at 11:39pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement ;

The Haavara Agreement ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language - Hebrew : הֶסְכֵּם הַעֲבָרָה, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Hebrew - romanized : heskem haavara, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literal_translation - lit. 'transfer agreement') was an agreement between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany - Nazi Germany and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist - Zionist organizations signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Federation_of_Germany - Zionist Federation of Germany , the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Palestine_Bank - Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency - Jewish Agency ) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah - to Palestine between 1933 and 1939.^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-1 - The agreement enabled Jews fleeing persecution under the new Nazi regime to transfer some portion of their assets to British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine - Mandatory Palestine .^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-yadvashem.org-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-yadvashem.org-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-yadvashem.org-4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement#cite_note-5 -}}

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau ;

The Jüdische Rundschau, published in https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin - from 1902 to 1938, was the most widely read and most important https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionismus - weekly newspaper in https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland - . As the organ of the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionistische_Vereinigung_f%C3%BCr_Deutschland - it represented German Zionism to the outside world. Its pages contained important debates about the function and purpose of Zionist https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionistisch - Basel Program adopted at the first https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionistenkongress - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau#cite_note-1 - - [ ^{https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau#cite_note-1 - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau#cite_note-1 - - ]} From 1933 onwards, it also reported on the difficult https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Juden_in_Deutschland - and provided readers who wanted to emigrate with detailed information about emigration options. ^{https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau#cite_note-2 - - [} ^{https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau#cite_note-2 - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Rundschau#cite_note-2 - - ]}

DJ, For both the US/UK and Germany "getting more western Jews" into Palestine was a way to increase control...Jewish groups fighting the UK (and before that Ottoman-Turkish) occupation were not seen as a big problem...

Both USrael and "christian zionists" (a.o. in recent Australia "anti semitism") use terror against Jewish people/organizations to "get more Jews into USrael"...

The rise of hitler/nazism did get a lot of western support (to stop stalin/USSR)...There are claims https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-Rothschild-family-escape-the-Nazis-during-World-War-II-given-they-were-such-a-prominent-family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#Jewish_identity_and_positions_on_Zionism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#Jewish_identity_and_positions_on_Zionism or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#Jewish_identity_and_positions_on_Zionism ; Jewish solidarity in the family was not homogeneous. Many Rothschilds were supporters of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism - Zionism , while other members of the family opposed the creation of the Jewish state. In 1917 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild - Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild was the addressee of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration - Balfour Declaration to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_Federation_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland - Zionist Federation ,^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#cite_note-53 - which committed the British government to the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. His https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rothschild,_2nd_Baron_Rothschild - nephew , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Rothschild - Victor, Lord Rothschild was against granting asylum or helping Jewish refugees in 1938.^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#cite_note-54 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#cite_note-independent.co.uk-55 - After the death of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mayer_Rothschild - James Jacob de Rothschild in 1868, his eldest son https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_James_de_Rothschild - Alphonse Rothschild took over the management of the family bank and was the most active in support for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eretz_Israel - Eretz Israel .^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#cite_note-56 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family#cite_note-57 -}}}